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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 9, 2009 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Worst Venues

Ok we've heard a lot about the Best Venues. I'm curious what people thought were the worst venues they saw the Dead at.
I'm going to break it up into 3 categories but feel free to make up your own as you see fit.
Anyhoo
1- Worst Sounding- Oakland Coliseum, saw many many shows there and sometimes they got it rocking but there seemed to always be roaming spots where the sound got gobbled up
2- The Dumps- You know the places you would never have gone to except the Dead were playing there. For me it was Meadowlands. Great shows and great times but for some reason the place just creeped me out.
3- Most Unkind Security- Worcester Centrum, Don't know what it's like now but it the 80's all I can say is "what a bunch a dicks"
Ok That's my venue rant. Anyone else

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

boston garden had about the worst sound.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Yea, I had always heard that but the shows I saw there in the 90's sounded great but again I had good seats for most of them.

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

agreed

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

No one has yet mentioned the Ventura County Fairgrounds. A dirt rodeo pit right next to the beach.I second the Irvine comments.

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

I always had a good time at Ventura but it certainly was a dirt pit and when it was windy the sand was everywhere. They literally rolled the sidewalks up at 4pm there and everything was closed. We obviously weren't very welcome!

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Totally agree. After a certain point, the didn't even care about our $. :)

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

The worst place in which I ever saw the guys was at the Rosemont Horizon. I did have some wonderful experiences there. My first backstage experience. Problem was not only was the place ugly, and inconvenient, but the sound was completely awful.

To add to it, the security there sucked.

Oh, and you cannot deny that the regularity of the sound of jumbo jets taking off from O'Hare every 3 minutes or so didn't help. Plus, the frigid cold on most fall shows made it really unpleasant.

This post was modified by staggerleib on 2009-12-09 18:05:00

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Huh I didn't experience that at my 1 Rosemont run except it was ugly for sure oh yea and the Planes forgot about those.

This post was modified by barongsong on 2009-12-09 18:09:29

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

wow... it was an echo chamber for me. simply awful.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

I recall there were some sound issues the first night and they had it dialed in by the second night, but I had really good seats for those shows so that probably helped.

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Poster: spring mountain high Date: Dec 10, 2009 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

hands down worst venue ever had to be the world music theatre in chicago...awful sound, terribly handled crowd logistics (anyone remember the traffic jam getting there the first night?), and just outside the south side of chicago in the middle of nowhere

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Poster: sambonk2 Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Cap Center in MD..Great Great shows but the security were out to just bust people.The sounds was pretty standard for all the indoor areas..if you were not FOB...it was really hit or miss.

MSG..sounds awful in there,,,Ya i know MSG...its the best place to play..whatever!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

MSG was freaking great - on the floor and front of the board. Otherwise, I don't know.... Then again, the whole "scene" was one of a kind.

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Well, lets put it this way - as a West Coast head - I think most of us found the East coast security overwhelming, uptight and unfriendly. I guess we were spoiled.

I must put Hartford & Worcester at the top of my list but will also add Irvine Meadows. I had one good year there but the 2nd time was a nightmare.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

I defn agree about Oak, BS! I know I mentioned this a time or two and others chimed in with "liking it" and such, but I never took to it after Winterland and the others...it really always seemed a poor fit. Of course, I departed shortly after they started playing larger and larger venues, and I am sure some of the places elsewhere in the country were in older bldgs, worse neighborhoods, etc., but given the many great spots in the Bay Area, Oak Col was the bottom for me.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Yea not the best Neighborhood for sure but at least the staff was hands off, even helpful, and the police seemed to ignore the place.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

That's defn true! Hadn't been considering that aspect since it generally applied, at least in the 70s, to most of the Bay Area...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 9, 2009 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

worst place for me was Shoreline. Sound was good but that's all that was good. Hated how steep the hill was, hated that it took literally the entire break to make it to the bathroom. TWICE missed my ride home and had to pay out the ass to get back to the east bay ( that's not shorelines fault but i blame it anyway). Of course Jerry at Concord pavillion sucked too. Show was good but I hate that place plus it was cold as hell.

I missed out on all the cool Bay Area venues

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Poster: Ellis Van Sofa Date: Dec 9, 2009 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

i second Shoreline. the sound might have been ok down in the seats but it was NEVER loud enough on the lawn.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 9, 2009 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

The people running Concord have to be the most inept in California. Hate that place. Saw great Steview Wonder show there little over a year ago, but vowed (again) to never return. Did see great REM/NRBQ show there days after the big earthquake - perhaps what made it great was the lack of many people and the ease of getting in and out.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 9, 2009 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

AH, NRBQ, now there's a band I'd love to see. Not in that shit venue though.

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Poster: dizbuster Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

i think they only played there once but the l.a. coliseum had to be the worst place i saw them. it seemed like the place was 25% filled. really bad security inside (a real challenge to burn one). not a great scene in the lot before or after the show. all of this in one of l.a.'s worst neighborhoods. i think it was 1993 and a very uninspired performance to boot.

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Poster: spring mountain high Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

la coliseum was june 1991...just awful...LA cops beating the crap out of people who tried to rush the floor...i remember a warning that the band would stop playing if people didn't cool it

the show opened with a decent shakedown and went downhill from there

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Dec 9, 2009 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Never saw them west of Alpine :(

Alot of east coast shows. Saw great shows at the Meadowlands, but absolutely hated the venue. Rfk wasn't the greatest place either, but on a good note, D.C. public transit was outstanding. Never had a problem with JFK and I liked seeing shows at the spectrum. Alot of that may have to do with it being "home" though.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 9, 2009 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

They were all toilets, those cesspools the Grateful Dead played during the 80's: Nassau, Hampton, Providence, Brendan Byrne, all horrid places with rather unkind security!

Worst one had to be Syracuse's Onondaga War Memorial with their offensive trough style urinals...

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Yea I think JFK and a few of the big stadiums had those too. Although you just reminded me of one of the funniest things I ever saw at a show with this very high guy at the piss trough singing "peeing with the band" next to this guy who had a vague resemblance to Jerry. Guess ya had to be there.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

I second Providence - hordes of cops in full riot gear for a Dead show in 1981? Those cops liked playing dress up ...

Irvine Meadows was the worst I've ever been to, though, hands down. Missed half a first set in 1988 because the security lines were so insanely long that it took me 90 minutes just to get inside.

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

I second Irvine Meadows. Beardown Gym University of Arizona 1969 and Stockton Civic Auditorium 1978 are close as well.

Among others; LSU and the 25 year Anniversary tour through Texas.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Des Moines Civic Center 5-29-80
All they really needed was one big sign that said "NO"
No standing anywhere, even in front of your own seat.
No dancing naturally
No drinks inside
No food
No smoking od any kind
No spitting
A perfectly horrid night.

Sandstone Amphitheater 6-24-91
The security forces were whack after the show. You had to be seated in your car, with the motor running. No standing around.
We had a parking place next to a service road, first row, which meant that there were about 5,000 cars behind us, so we weren't going anywhere, it didn't matter..."what's wrong with YOU people, get in your cars, NOW". Great show though.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:46am
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Might I add Magoo's Pizza Parlor? Intimate yes, but the bright overhead lights and pizza ovens really ruined it for me. (and that I was still in diapers).

http://www.astrofuturetrends.com/grateful_dead.htm

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Poster: user unknown Date: Dec 9, 2009 6:20pm
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nice read..thanks bd

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:33am
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"No dancing naturally" - that's a good one!

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:44am
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Yikes that does take the cake. Put those 2 shows together and you have the ultimate take your money and have no fun package tour.

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Poster: Rockstarbabu Date: Dec 10, 2009 11:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Hi every body I think on the whole this place is a far sight better than it has been in years. I remember it before Radiohead even, and yes it was legendary - but time goes on!
Scream pubs were rubbish and no one should moan about paying a bit more for decent European lager because all UK-brewed lager is vile - anyone who thinks otherwise probably drinks Stella, so I rest my case.
Only fault of late has been the service. If I'm paying £3.40 for a pint of Erdinger I want it served in a clean, proper glass - it doesn't have to be branded but I suggest the staff should know their product better.
But it's a cool spot and the garden - with ferns etc. - is far better than the former car park, and really buzzes in the summer months.
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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

providence security was just as bad as worcester....

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 10, 2009 7:12am
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i always found Providence security worse than Worcester - not that Worcester was anything to write home about either. Every friggin cop on a horse thought he was General MacArthur riding in a tank with his head sticking out.

But once you were in, Providence was one of my all time favorites!

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 10, 2009 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Worst Venues

Good to know the police were continuing eduction students @ Johnson & Wales.

Seattle cop we always mis-informed.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Dec 9, 2009 10:44am
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I disagree, the cops were just as bad maybe, but the Venue security didn't hassle you anything close to like the Worcester security did.

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:16pm
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I certainly have to agree that Worcester sucked in the security department.

... and how many times were you kicked out of the shopping mall there?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:21am
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I found Hartford to be the absolute worse cops and security. That town deserves Tito.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:13am
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you got a point there!

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Poster: deadjunkie Date: Dec 9, 2009 12:18pm
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The Providence Civic Center was usually OK once you were inside the venue. Definitely better than the Worcester Centrum.

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